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Is this Honda EG2800i wearing out...?

I have been running this thing about 10 hours a day, every day, since May 2019. I'm a road warrior.

Oil consumption is now running about 1 to 3 ounces a day, in a 16 ounce reservoir. The automatic oil shutdown happens at about 6 hours. I add more oil and it runs another 3 hours or so, before shutting down again.

During the break-in period, I ran it with various loads, up to around 2500 watts. Since then, I don't think I've run anything more than 1500 watts.

I've been looking with great interest, at Predator's thread on his Predator 3500, and wondering if it would last as long as this Honda, with such heavy use.

I'm wondering what to do next and would appreciate any ideas.

I've run out of time today, but I'll be back.
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did you buy it new in may???
if so it has warranty!!
3 year residential / 1 year commercial warranty
way way too much oil getting gone...
what does the spark plug look like??

was it used in a super cold area?? like below 10 deg f?
a honda does not use oil like that unless something is wrong..

what does the oil look like??
are you filling the oil to the top of the bottom thread?
did you use a magnetic drain plug or a magnetic dip stick?

I am thinking crank case breather issue..
it may not be venting the crank case right..

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Warranty for sure. Its consuming way to much oil.

10 hours a day for 9 months lands around 3000 hours. A predator generator might make 3000 hours, but Id give it a low probability.
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yea 3 k hours on a honda it is just breaking in!!

I am questioning the crank vent...
it maybe stuck open.. or broke!!
there is a little flapper in there..

dealer first and make sure they have all the docs for warranty!!
or better yet a honda gen service center!!

make sure they know you expect warranty!!
and a repair at no charge!!

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Computer died, just got linux installed on the new one. Now, had to find my password.

I stumbled around and vented the crankcase vent to the outside world, then to a catch can on a 3/8" line, about 12 to 15" long.

I left the line between the canister and the gas tank in place, except for disconnecting it at the canister.

I also removed the line between the canister and the air filter. I did put a 3/8" line to the port on the air filter and ran it a couple of feet to move it farther away from the exhaust.

That was a part of trying to see if it would run on fumes. My buddy experiments on things like this, sometimes using the equipment of others.

The oil does look nasty. I thought it improved a little, after rerouting the crankcase vent, but I'm not so sure, now.

I did clean the nasty plug, but have only looked at it once, since the rerouting. It looked good at that time.

There is no in-line check valve.

We have not had temps below 10 deg f, this year.

I have a bad habit of not registering purchases for warranty purposes.
I did buy it new and put a magnetic dip stick in it.

So those 2 issues would likely preclude any warranty claim.

Now it shuts down at about 3 hours. Oil consumption is now running about 4 ounces a day.

Looks like I will stick with Honda.
I bought it off the internet.. It could have been ebay.

Would it be feasable to have it rebuilt, out of pocket, or would it be better to replace it?

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p.s... Thanks to all, for responding.
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I have a bad habit of not registering purchases for warranty purposes.
I did buy it new and put a magnetic dip stick in it.

So those 2 issues would likely preclude any warranty claim.
That should not void the warranty. I'd take it to a Honda service center under warranty as others have suggested.
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put a new spark plug in and see if it loads up with oil in 10 min of run.

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At worst, put the regular dipstick back in before bringing it to a dealer. Tough to see how a different dipstick could cause it to start burning oil, unless the magnet came off and started banging around in the crankcase. I would talk to the dealer even if you didn't register it. If they won't help, I'd reach out to Honda.
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@Resistor , do I understand correctly you ran this engine on "fumes"? If so... you are inciting detonation, for sure, with potentially detrimental effects, especially to the piston and rings.
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@Resistor , do I understand correctly you ran this engine on "fumes"? If so... you are inciting detonation, for sure, with potentially detrimental effects, especially to the piston and rings.
That fumes experiment was what showed me the my buddy was not the expert I thought. He picked up on an idea, but has yet to refine it.. Like so many others.

It ran, bogged down and picked up again. Then, I shut it down and gave up on the idea, entirely.

I suspected that this might cause some damage. If it were a workable solution, engineers would have already figured out how to get the fumes from the tank to the combustion chamber.

Yet the best they can come up with is delivering gasoline to the carburetor, and letting the carburetor do its job.


I just dropped it off at the Honda dealer.

He was very reserved about any warranty work and said that they do not do swap outs, new for broken.

It is likely a head - gasket ? - issue and would take 2 to 4 hours to fix. At $ 89 an hour, that is $ 400 with taxes. New ones are on Sale for $ 1,029, so it is roughly 40% of the cost of new.

iowagold, there is no indication of a problem with the spark plug. The thing starts on first or second pull, even well below 32*.

RedOctobyr, the magnetic dip stick is not a cause of the increase in oil consumption.

If anything, it would help retard oil consumption by helping to keep debris from running through the combustion process.
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